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Postby Joan » Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:18 pm

Cuttle bones sold for birds, cooked chicken bones and deer antlers are sources of chewable calcium. Probably plain Tums would work too.

Reptile calcium powder with Vit D3 http://www.arcatapet.com/item.cfm?cat=11574 works and you don't have to put vitamins with D3 in the water. If flyer will not eat food with powder on it. Put vitamins with D3 in the drinking water plus a liquid calcium. Try to stay away from Phosphorus in powdered calcium unless it's in a 2:1 ratio because you're trying to minimize the Phosphorus and maximize the Calcium with a diet of a 2:1 ratio.

Chris's Squirrels and More, www.squirrelsandmore.com , does have Calcium Phosphorus with Vitamin D by PetAg and pure Calcium Carbonate in both powder and liquid forms.

You can rely on plain old calcium carbonate plus variety of fresh foods and a vitamin/ mineral supplement to provide the D3

Good sources of calcium:
Kale, collard greens, broccoli and spinach (dark green veggies are great!!) and Dannon yogurt, instant oatmeal, soy beans, tofu, sesame seeds, beet greens, turnip greens, parsley, Wakame, figs, rhubarb, sweet potato, cantaloupe, kiwi, strawberries

Foods high in phosphorous:
Apple, broccoli, Brussels sprouts, orange, cucumber, lettuce, grapes, honey dew, celery, cabbage, carrots, dandelion greens (especially late spring and all summer), apples, banana, fresh corn, mushrooms, lima beans, oatmeal, almonds, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, yogurt, and Brazil nuts
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Liquid Calcium/Vit.D3

Postby Joan » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:51 pm

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Postby Wanda » Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:29 pm

Since the liquid calcium has D3 in it, do flyers also need a vitamin supplement?
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Postby Joan » Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:43 pm

No. That's what nice. I've been using L&M in the water and adding T-Rex Bone Aid liquid calcium for reptiles. This stuff has the calcium & D3 together. I'm going to try the Calcivet. Dennis Patronas in ALA raises finches and recommended it to me. He got a boy from Chuck & Mishi's last litter ... before this current one. :roll:
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Postby Wanda » Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:20 am

I wonder if they will like it and eat it. Mine all like the L&M Vitamins. I put a drop in their yogurt and they eat it up. But calcium is another story.
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Postby Joan » Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:23 am

"It is in a palatable syrup that can be diluted in drinking water." If that means sweet, they'll go for it. LOL
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Postby Wanda » Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:27 am

Joan wrote:"It is in a palatable syrup that can be diluted in drinking water." If that means sweet, they'll go for it. LOL

Good! I'll have to try some.
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Postby Deb » Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:30 am

Just a reminder for those who live in or near rual areas that have deer. Hunting season has just started and if you go to a deer processor business, we have several near here, they will sell or give you antlers. These will be smallish. The hunters will keep big antlers. But they look really cool in your cages attached with zip ties. The fur balls like to chew on the freshest ones. And they are always climbing on 'em.

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Postby krups1110 » Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:28 pm

I like the calcivet idea. Do you think we could do the 2 water bowl thing(1 fresh, 1 w/ supplement) with this, too, or is it important to force the flyer to take it? Also, that 250 ml one will last a long time for a single flyer, but do you think the stuff will be good for as long as it would take to use it up? It would make more sense to get that one because it is only about double the price from the 30ml bottle, but it is more than 8 times the amount.
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Postby Joan » Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:53 pm

[quote="krups1110"].. Do you think we could do the 2 water bowl thing(1 fresh, 1 w/ supplement) with this, too,

I plan to. They really seems to know what they need.

Also, that 250 ml one will last a long time for a single flyer, but do you think the stuff will be good for as long as it would take to use it up? It would make more sense to get that one because it is only about double the price from the 30ml bottle, but it is more than 8 times the amount.

I think we should share ... I'll send you some of mine when it comes.
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Postby jodylin » Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:05 pm

i am going to try the calcivet also. that's great....is it really necessary to provide 2 separate water dishes?
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Postby Joan » Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:24 pm

jodylin wrote:...is it really necessary to provide 2 separate water dishes?



Who knows? The thought is that flyers know what is good for them and how much they need. If they aren't offered a choice, they can't regulate their intake. Some HOFs offer both, some don't. No one really knows. I tend to believe less is better. I think that humans have a tendency to "over medicate" in an attempt to provide what is best. Truth is, we don't know what is best as there is zip reasearch in flyers as pets. Right now all we have is each others experiences and we won't know the outcome for some time.
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Postby Rhiannonn2626 » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:13 pm

www.Foyspigeonsupplies.com has the best price on calcivet I've seen so far...15.95 for 250 ml...Anyone found it cheaper??

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Postby Joan » Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:33 am

I got 100mL for $16.65 (includes shipping) off eBay. 20 mL makes up a liter of drinking water.
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Postby krups1110 » Sat Dec 09, 2006 3:28 pm

Joan wrote:
krups1110 wrote:.. Do you think we could do the 2 water bowl thing(1 fresh, 1 w/ supplement) with this, too,

I plan to. They really seems to know what they need.

Also, that 250 ml one will last a long time for a single flyer, but do you think the stuff will be good for as long as it would take to use it up? It would make more sense to get that one because it is only about double the price from the 30ml bottle, but it is more than 8 times the amount.

I think we should share ... I'll send you some of mine when it comes.

Great idea Joan! Thanks a bunch! I can't wait to see Nieve's reaction to the new vitamins.
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Postby Rhiannonn2626 » Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:14 am

So any updates on the calcivet?? Do the flyers like it??

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Postby Joan » Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:10 pm

Mine are drinking it.
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Postby Wanda » Sun Dec 24, 2006 3:30 pm

Rhiannonn2626 wrote:So any updates on the calcivet?? Do the flyers like it??


I put a drop in their yogurt and they eat it all.
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mineral treat

Postby fortheloveofsquirrels » Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:41 pm

can anyone tell me if the ingredients below would be safe for Stalker. I was unable to locate the one listed on the NFSA.


Mineral Treat

8 in 1 Aids in keeping birds' beaks trimmed and contains calcium and other essential minerals necessary for a bird to maintain optimum health. Made with natural grape flavor, it's the perfect way to make sure your bird receives all the necessary calcium and minerals for optimum health in a fun and interactive treat.
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Hang in bird cage near perch. Replace when soiled or after consumed.
Ingredients:
Calcium Sulfate, Calcium Carbonate, Ground Limestone, Salt, Oyster Shell Flour, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Selenite, Potassium Iodide, Cobalt Sulfate, Artificial Color and Natural Flavorings.
Guaranteed Analysis: Calcium (min.)20.0%Phosphorous (Min.)0.015%Salt (Min.)0.3%

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Postby krups1110 » Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:43 pm

It seems ok to me, but I noticed that it doesn't have vitamin D3, which flyers need to absorb calcium.
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Postby Joan » Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:46 pm

It should be OK. Contains various forms of calcium. You can use TUMS and plain old cuttle bone too. They won't use it unless they need too. A varied diet with calcium rich foods will likely give him enough. Flyers are able to convert dietary D2 into D3
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Postby fortheloveofsquirrels » Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:17 pm

ok I have been putting two drops of the oasis vitamins in his water daily. two drops in a 1/2 cup of water. It has 1,350 IU of D3 in it. He does get the T-rex 2:1 on his food every two days. Plenty of fresh fruit and veggies. Sweet pototes daily. I have been following the flyer diet on the site, but was unable to locate a few of the items suggested.

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Postby Joan » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:17 am

I give mine an untreated sourse of water too so they have a choice. If you have sprinkle calcium, I'd only use it 3 times a week max. Over supplementation has become a concern of Dr. Cooley who does the NFSA necropsies. Good diet is the best.
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Postby fortheloveofsquirrels » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:30 am

Joan wrote:I give mine an untreated sourse of water too so they have a choice. If you have sprinkle calcium, I'd only use it 3 times a week max. Over supplementation has become a concern of Dr. Cooley who does the NFSA necropsies. Good diet is the best.


ok will do....thanks

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Postby voguemamselle619 » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:25 pm

any idea on the shelf life of calcivet? i have one of those 100 mL bottles, which is way more than enough for a while, but i want to make sure it's still safe to use (i think mine's about 8 months old...)
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Postby Joan » Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:05 pm

If it's not on the bottle, you'll have to check with the manufacturer. That's why I switched to Calciboost Powder. I only make up 8 ounces at a time and store it in the refrigerator.
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Postby aMartyrsHeart » Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:26 pm

Can a young flyer have cooked chicken bones? I want to give Pikachu one, but I didn't know if I should wait until he's older.
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Postby Joan » Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:29 pm

It's fine. You might want to split the bone so he can get to the marrow.
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Postby immatater » Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:45 pm

Wanda wrote:
Rhiannonn2626 wrote:So any updates on the calcivet?? Do the flyers like it??


I put a drop in their yogurt and they eat it all.


I spike the yogurt too.. that or applesauce.

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Postby aMartyrsHeart » Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:49 pm

What kind of yogurt do you buy? I bought plain nonfat and so far Pikachu won't touch it.
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Postby Katayun » Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:55 pm

Dannon!! kiwi didnt eat it at frist. butnow he loves it. i get vanilla. i end up eating the rest of it after i give him a spoon full. :wink: same thing with the apple sauce
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Postby aMartyrsHeart » Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:01 pm

Great! Thanks Kat! Do you buy regular, fat free, or lowfat? I'm over protective about his food, I know.
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Postby Katayun » Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:04 pm

hhmm... i dont remember. i think regular, or maybe its low fat. hehe sorry. i dont have anymore now. but thats a good question....
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Postby voguemamselle619 » Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:24 am

i buy dannon activia in vanilla. shylo used to like peach, but changed her mind. a lot of people use dannon la creme. it's all low fat i believe. just make sure there is not artificial sweeteners in it (as is the case for some fat free yogurts). try a different type of flavor of yogurt... they can be picky.
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Postby Deb » Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:53 am

Peach yogurt seems to be the most popular around here, and I know others have said their flyers also like peach best. If mine get tired of whatever yogurt drink I am giving them, I add some juice to it. Mine are on their second helpings tonight of Dannon peach Frusion drink/Naked Juice berry. They really suck that stuff up. They must need lots of it to choke down all the crunchy beetles that had the nerve to show up around my porch light tonight. :twisted:
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Re: Calcium Sources

Postby Peeves » Mon May 26, 2008 7:40 pm

Ok I have a bearded dragon and since its a baby it need ALOT of calcium for when he grows. I have a liquid supplement called "Leapin' Lizards" that has electrolytes with vitamins and minerals. Its 4 drops into water or fed directly. I give it to Piyo directly and he loves it. It has some papaya puree so it smells nice and i bet it tastes pretty good. I heard papaya is also good for digestion. The supplement has potassium, calcium, vitamins A, B1, B2, B6, B12, C and D3.

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Postby Joan » Mon May 26, 2008 11:12 pm

Peeves wrote:... I heard papaya is also good for digestion.


I know it is very good for rabbits. I have given my flyers papaya and they seem to like it. Papayas are so big, I removed the skin, cut it into strips and froze it. I'd shave off some to give with supper.
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Re: Calcium Sources

Postby Tamis » Tue May 27, 2008 11:03 pm

I buy dried papaya from http://www.lonestarchinchilla.com/store/index.php?cPath=2
they are a little high on shipping, but they have a lot of nice treats for both my chin and squirrel. Also they have lots of chew stuff and neat little cage extras.

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Re: Calcium Sources

Postby mb » Fri May 30, 2008 11:52 pm

Spaz loves raw spinach leaves and they are a good source of calcium. Also a great source of many other nutrients....
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