Jack, onset of MBD I think.

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Jack, onset of MBD I think.

Postby Guardian » Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:34 am

Unusual gait, inability to climb walls or cage like normal. Sleep, biting, in nest box most of time. Hungry though, and thirsty.

Calcium block got wet while cleaning cage so was removed, one dish of water broke and I didn't think about replacing it with another calcium-filled dish. He is very weak and I don't know what to do. I'll start on one of the 'solutions' to MBD and i hope it works.
Rest in Peace Gypsy, I wish you were still with us.
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Re: Jack, onset of MBD I think.

Postby Guardian » Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:03 am

I'm going to use this method:
1. Dennis Quinter Method
(Dennis is a rehabber/hobby breeder with over 30 years experience: http://www.voy.com/55490/)

There are three main causes for Metabolic Bone Disease. Lack of calcium, lack of Vitamin D, and too much Vitamin D. Too much Vitamin D can cause calcium reabsorption. Also, a high phosphorous diet may interfere with calcium absorption. If you think it is lack of calcium, take the calcium block and scrape it to get some powder to put on some food. Small amounts are enough, flyers are very small.
In size comparison to humans, it would take about 1/800th of a calcium tablet made for humans to supply plenty for a flyer. If you think it is a lack of Vitamin D, you can boost that with a supplement for a short time to get things straightened out.
As a regular part of the diet, you might include some Dannon yogurt which is high in calcium. Dark green veggies like broccoli, is a good source for calcium. Flyers being nocturnal have evolved to use Vitamin D2 from plant material instead of Vitamin D3 from
the sun. So fresh greens are a source for calcium

Treating MBD
(IF the problem the flyer is having is related to calcium deficiency or lack of Vitamin D3, this should help the situation. It may take at least a week to see any improvement.)

1. Buy a calcium block or powdered Pet-cal and some LM vitamins
that are made for small mammals.
2. Take a knife and scrape the calcium block to get about 1/16
teaspoon of powder. Mix that in some peanut butter or some
applesauce that you know the flyer will eat.
3. Repeat this 3 times in a week.
4. Add the vitamins to fresh water three times a week. (Use the
vitamin dosage as listed on the bottle for hamsters and gerbils).
5. Put a calcium block in the cage.
6. After a week of this, give the flyer Dannon yogurt twice a week
and add the vitamins to the fresh water twice a week.
7. Try to get the flyer to eat broccoli and other dark green veggies
several times per week.


His usual water droplets are calci-boost in one dish of water, and an orange beak block from petsmart.

First calcium/peanutbutter mix at 11:01 pm 08/06/10 Friday.
Next time will be on Sunday.
Last on Tuesday.

Vitamins in water bowl, fresh water bowl also available, calcium block on same stand as water dishes.
Jack doesn't like Dannon Yogurt, I already tried when he was little, should I force feed him it?
Rest in Peace Gypsy, I wish you were still with us.

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Re: Jack, onset of MBD I think.

Postby Guardian » Sat Aug 07, 2010 11:54 am

Jack is gone.
Rest in Peace Gypsy, I wish you were still with us.

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Re: Jack, onset of MBD I think.

Postby lucy10177 » Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:42 pm

OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! i'm so sorry to hear that!!! prayers are with you :(

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Re: Jack, onset of MBD I think.

Postby Joan » Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:50 pm

SO sorry to hear the new! :(
Let me know if you want to consider a necropsy to determind cause of death. If you do, double freezer bag Jack and freeze him.
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Re: Jack, onset of MBD I think.

Postby Wolfbrat » Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:35 pm

I'm very sorry for your loss.
I miss you Ambush and Hijack. Wo de xin.


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